Jeffrey Walters Which sin is worse? Divorce to re-marry or homosexuality?
Meschelle Sirovina
Only GOD can answer that. Who am I to judge?
July 16 at 11:45pm ·
Jeff Walters
Ignorance is much worse than either of the two!
July 16 at 11:51pm · · 2 peopleLoading...
Brittany Williams
sin is sin. there's not one that is worse than another, all of it seperates.
July 16 at 11:59pm ·
Danny Song
Jeff Walters Sr. dropping some free knowledge up in here.
July 17 at 12:23am ·
Tim Urata
Dude sounds like people are very opinionated on that.. Homosexuality is odd but watever that's them.. Remarriage is fuckin retarded.. You got devorced for a reason..
July 17 at 12:26am ·
Danny Song
LOL so there's no difference between marrying two completely different people?
July 17 at 12:30am ·
Jenna Eunice
We are in 2010...enough said
July 17 at 12:50am · · 1 personLoading...
Tim Urata
I could give two shits less about anyone but myself.. My friends I love but strangers I don't give two shits about.. Everyone lives for them selves n not anyone else..
July 17 at 12:59am ·
Jeffrey Walters
It just gets me thinking about the people who talk down on others when they have baggage themselves, ya know?
I hope the question didn't offend anyone.
I hope the question didn't offend anyone.
July 17 at 1:01am ·
Arash 'Ash' Khosrowshahi
I also wonder whether it's worse to eat shellfish (Lev. 11:11) or get a haircut (Lev. 19:27).
July 17 at 1:01am ·
Jackeliene Raney
I'm with Brittany up there. All sin is sin, which is why God doesn't call us to judge.
July 17 at 2:19am ·
Coralyn A. Wilson
sin is sin.
July 17 at 3:57am ·
Josh Banfield
Homosexuality is not a sin.
July 17 at 6:54am · · 1 personLoading...
Lisa Aird
Ahh Jeffrey the question does not offend. And it is one people often think of. Are you sure it is talking down? All are forgiven and fall short, but what we do with that is what matters. Do we keep on sinning against God? Or do we make the change needed?
God does not rank sin as one being higher than another (except blasphemy which is the ultimate), but he does forgive us our sin.
God does not rank sin as one being higher than another (except blasphemy which is the ultimate), but he does forgive us our sin.
July 17 at 7:00am ·
Kathy Powell Lamaster
Ditto with Lisa!
July 17 at 7:43am ·
Chuck Smalley
Tim, everyone is responsible for themselves and so in one sense we all live for ourselves but not everyone lives selfishly. I'm sure you've heard of Mother Teresa. There are many like her who live their lives helping others. Every military person gives of him/herself for others... My son lost his best friend in Iraq. He did not die for himself... See More. Then, Jesus lived and gave His life for all who will receive Him with not one self serving aspect or though about it. I hope you come to know Him and know real love and peace.
July 17 at 8:09am ·
Joey Arnold
There was a time that only God knew that Jesus was the only way to Heaven. This means that God does allow us to know things when the time is right, if we are willing to listen, to obey. Just because God knows something, that does not necessary mean that we are to not know what God knows. We must never ever try to say that we cannot know the things ... See Morethat God knows. We should never try to say that we cannot have the mind of Christ, that only God knows the answer (in other words, we should never give up on the pursuit of finding those answers, the answers that only God knows).
July 17 at 9:33am · ·
Chuck Smalley
We can not expect the unbeliever to act like a believer. Amongst unbelievers the type of sin they are engaged in is irrelevant. However, the society that embraces sin will be judged by God. Jesus made an exception regarding divorce so while we cannot say divorce is never to be neither should we give wholesale license to it. I think that you ... See Moreare struggling with moral equivalence. Moral equivalence is the tool of those who would give license to whatever they find to be acceptable. And, without God all things are acceptable. Nero was a blatant homosexual, Rome condoned it, Nero became increasingly paranoid and Rome burned. You do the math. Look at the beginning of Romans again. Sin has a downward spiral.
July 17 at 9:41am ·
Jeffrey Walters
So Chuck, you relate homosexuality of today to Nero, who burned innocent people on stakes? And about divorce, the question was referring to re-marrying, which is adultery, says Jesus.
So that we don't get sidetracked, sin is sin, right? So why do so many church folk condemn homosexuality or abortion, and not re-marriage? And how is one sin justified while others get the magnifying glass? Arash's post, I gotta say, spells this out pretty clearly.
So that we don't get sidetracked, sin is sin, right? So why do so many church folk condemn homosexuality or abortion, and not re-marriage? And how is one sin justified while others get the magnifying glass? Arash's post, I gotta say, spells this out pretty clearly.
July 17 at 10:45am ·
Chuck Smalley
Jesus gave permission for divorce under one circumstance and Paul in 1 Cor. implies while regrettable permissible. This does not automatically give approval to remarrying but there seems to be some room here for it. However, the divorce by a believer for the sake of remarrying is definitely wrong and is condemned by the Bible and conservative ... See MoreChurches. Once the deed is done are they forever lost to the Church and God? There is no sin the blood of Jesus can not cleans. The repentant will be forgiven the unrepentant sinner, homosexual or remarried divorcée, will suffer the consequences.
Nero had a young man surgically altered to resemble a woman, married him in a public ceremony, paraded him through the streets and later himself became a wife to another man. Nero's homosexuality was what led to his paranoia which in turn led to the persecution of Christians and the burning of Rome, he is the most likely suspect behind the burning. The embracing of sexual sins and particularly homosexuality is what led to the fall of Rome. You will, also, remember Sodom and Gomorrah. Look at Romans 1:27. The homosexual suffers in this life "in their own person"... and in the life to come. The society that embraces immorality will be judged and suffer the consequences.
Are you referring to the shellfish haircut comment? That is completely handled by Paul numerous times in his letters.
Let me ask you, are you trying to help the Church by calling her to a more consistent and holier witness or are you trying to justify homosexuality? Do you think the Bible is errant and therefore that God is fallible that He couldn't give us an inerrant Bible?
Nero had a young man surgically altered to resemble a woman, married him in a public ceremony, paraded him through the streets and later himself became a wife to another man. Nero's homosexuality was what led to his paranoia which in turn led to the persecution of Christians and the burning of Rome, he is the most likely suspect behind the burning. The embracing of sexual sins and particularly homosexuality is what led to the fall of Rome. You will, also, remember Sodom and Gomorrah. Look at Romans 1:27. The homosexual suffers in this life "in their own person"... and in the life to come. The society that embraces immorality will be judged and suffer the consequences.
Are you referring to the shellfish haircut comment? That is completely handled by Paul numerous times in his letters.
Let me ask you, are you trying to help the Church by calling her to a more consistent and holier witness or are you trying to justify homosexuality? Do you think the Bible is errant and therefore that God is fallible that He couldn't give us an inerrant Bible?
July 17 at 1:34pm ·
Pamela Watson
Jeff I hear your point. People do judge, and where people are in groups they tend to stick on side. Ive seen this happen before for this and that. I feel that everyone sins and we shouldnt waste time crying over the sins that others make. We manage to make ourself suffer enough for the things we beat ourself up for personally. This is why I dont ... See Morecast eyes on those who do the worldly things that we get caught up in ourselves. The word is for personal use and growth and we are encourage to share not to cast hate onto others for ANY sin they make. He will deal with our sins when the time comes and forgive us for what we have hurt for in our hearts. Jeff continue to be who you are and practice what you believe and feel is right. When you are standing infront of him at the end of the day that way the best thing you can tell him is you stayed true to who you are. love you x
July 17 at 2:04pm ·
Jeffrey Walters
Thanks Pam! You're so gentle and nice, haha. Come back and visit us!
July 17 at 3:06pm ·
Ronald Gilden
Tricky issue.
Presumably, we're defining sin as it's laid out in the Bible, correct? Every sin isn't equal, according to the Bible. There are specific sins that require different sacrifices, or reparation, sometimes excommunication, or even death. Even when two people commit the same sin, depending on their level of office or responsibility, ... See Moredifferent sacrifices are required of them- less is required of a common person than of a priest. Praise be to God that He offered the ultimate atonement, amen?
While both Jesus and Paul speak against divorcing one's spouse and remarrying, there's always a specific context (i.e. divorcing a spouse for the sake of marrying another person), there's also admonitions to remarry (the first one that comes to mind is 1 Tim. 5:3-16, as well as numerous times in the Torah).
Regarding homosexuality – the problem with the Bible is that it doesn't change itself too terribly well to keep with what gets deemed by our society as acceptable. So, one of us is wrong.
The other issue is that, on some level, God's people are supposed to keep their believing brothers and sisters accountable, even possibly to a level that is uncomfortable to us:
'I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people. Yet I certainly did not mean with sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner – not even to eat with such a person. For what have I to do with judging those who are outside? Do you not judge who are inside? But those who are outside God judges. Therefore, “put away from yourselves the evil person.” ' - 1 Cor. 5:9-13
Paul continues to note that the sexually immoral (among others) will not be received by God – but that's only if we don't turn to Him and seek to abandon the things He calls sin–
'Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.' - 1 Corinthians 6:9-11
Presumably, we're defining sin as it's laid out in the Bible, correct? Every sin isn't equal, according to the Bible. There are specific sins that require different sacrifices, or reparation, sometimes excommunication, or even death. Even when two people commit the same sin, depending on their level of office or responsibility, ... See Moredifferent sacrifices are required of them- less is required of a common person than of a priest. Praise be to God that He offered the ultimate atonement, amen?
While both Jesus and Paul speak against divorcing one's spouse and remarrying, there's always a specific context (i.e. divorcing a spouse for the sake of marrying another person), there's also admonitions to remarry (the first one that comes to mind is 1 Tim. 5:3-16, as well as numerous times in the Torah).
Regarding homosexuality – the problem with the Bible is that it doesn't change itself too terribly well to keep with what gets deemed by our society as acceptable. So, one of us is wrong.
The other issue is that, on some level, God's people are supposed to keep their believing brothers and sisters accountable, even possibly to a level that is uncomfortable to us:
'I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people. Yet I certainly did not mean with sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner – not even to eat with such a person. For what have I to do with judging those who are outside? Do you not judge who are inside? But those who are outside God judges. Therefore, “put away from yourselves the evil person.” ' - 1 Cor. 5:9-13
Paul continues to note that the sexually immoral (among others) will not be received by God – but that's only if we don't turn to Him and seek to abandon the things He calls sin–
'Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.' - 1 Corinthians 6:9-11
July 17 at 8:09pm ·
Jeffrey Walters
I could have sworn the answer was a lot simpler. But I guess that's the beauty of interpretation!
Sunday at 6:17pm ·
Martha Sheppard
actually, the new testament is pretty clear that all sins are NOT equal. (I don't know where we get this idea from . . .) there are "weightier" issues, there are sins that lead to death, there are sins to the flesh.
God is not known for his lack of complexity.
God is not known for his lack of complexity.
Yesterday at 7:07am ·
Fulton Hawk
Homosexuals who divorce and remarry are the greatest sinners,very close to kitten killers and those who enjoyed Avatar:)
Yesterday at 7:34am ·
Martha Sheppard
hey, i liked avatar and I'm remarried and once I ran over a dog. man, i hate that - three strikes!
Yesterday at 8:28am ·
Jeff Strain
sigh. Can we ever know the depth of mercy and grace of God's love? When in doubt, defer to love.
6 hours ago ·
Joey Arnold
Martha, all sins are similar only to some extent, generically implying simply that all sins are variantly bad: it's almost like saying that all dogs are the same (which is to say one dog is more similar to another dog than it is similar to another pen: especially since say a Sheppard dog has more similarities to a poodle than it does to a pen). Of ... See Morecourse you already knew that but I'm just saying it, ok, I had to, I swear.
But which sin is worse is a debate limited by perspective, by opinions, by interpretations, by stereotypes, by regrets from the past, by our eyes, by our views, by our mind, by all those things in which we are all stuck in to some extent. Ok, we are not all completely stuck in them but we were all stuck in them, in spiritual darkness, in depravity, in sin, and that effects our view, our judgment, on making the right calls on which is worse.
Sin takes us from the will of God, from what is best, from that path, that journey towards the promise land, towards destiny.
Sin is like the rocks and logs that trip us up on that mountain hike towards God's will, and which sin is worse, which sin is going to knock you off that mountain, which sin is going to get you down the most, which sin do you not like the most, or which sin is a bigger rock or log or hole really all depends.
Of course, which sins God hates the most is a question with an absolute answer to it, however, one key factor is in understanding the character to God first (which is love), that is where we must start with first especially since we don't want to go about all of this the wrong ways (or through the wrong motives of fear over love).
In other words, we don't want to go about searching for the answer to this Jeffrey Walters question in the wrong ways or through the wrong motives or intentions or whatever, that is why Theology (which journeys towards understanding God's character, God's Will, God's take on sin but moreover on God's take on living right) is key, get it, that is why Theology, I will say it again if I have to, that is why Theology is key in answering Jeffrey Walter's question, folks.
But which sin is worse is a debate limited by perspective, by opinions, by interpretations, by stereotypes, by regrets from the past, by our eyes, by our views, by our mind, by all those things in which we are all stuck in to some extent. Ok, we are not all completely stuck in them but we were all stuck in them, in spiritual darkness, in depravity, in sin, and that effects our view, our judgment, on making the right calls on which is worse.
Sin takes us from the will of God, from what is best, from that path, that journey towards the promise land, towards destiny.
Sin is like the rocks and logs that trip us up on that mountain hike towards God's will, and which sin is worse, which sin is going to knock you off that mountain, which sin is going to get you down the most, which sin do you not like the most, or which sin is a bigger rock or log or hole really all depends.
Of course, which sins God hates the most is a question with an absolute answer to it, however, one key factor is in understanding the character to God first (which is love), that is where we must start with first especially since we don't want to go about all of this the wrong ways (or through the wrong motives of fear over love).
In other words, we don't want to go about searching for the answer to this Jeffrey Walters question in the wrong ways or through the wrong motives or intentions or whatever, that is why Theology (which journeys towards understanding God's character, God's Will, God's take on sin but moreover on God's take on living right) is key, get it, that is why Theology, I will say it again if I have to, that is why Theology is key in answering Jeffrey Walter's question, folks.
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